A Reporter at Work
Regents refuse to promptly
release meeting minutes
Delays of weeks or months
to release public information
A reporter discusses his experiences trying
to obtain basic information from the University -
in this case the minutes of public meetings of the regents
CU Guiding Principles
2. Maintain a commitment to excellence.
3. Promote and uphold the principles of ethics, integrity, transparency, and accountability.
4. Be conscientious stewards of the university's human, physical, financial, information, and natural resources.
5. Encourage, honor, and respect teaching, learning, and academic culture.
CU Mission, Guiding Principles and Vision Statement
CU Regents Actual Practices
1. All this excellence, integrity and transparency stuff is really an annoyance and a large size hassle.
2. Why do we have to bother with that stuff anyway?
3. Let's just do the bare minimum we can get away with and see
if that works.
A reporter's job begins with trying to obtain basic information about the subject he or she is covering.
For a reporter covering the University of Colorado, that basic information includes minutes of the public meetings of the Board of Regents.
The Board of Regents are the guardians of the integrity of the institution.
What they are doing and thinking matters to the University community. Much of that doing and thinking is contained in the minutes of their meetings.
The minutes of the public meetings of the regents are very basic documents and should be among the easiest documents to obtain at the university, freely posted and promptly available after a meeting. This would be consistent with CU's Guiding Principles of excellence, integrity, transparency and the openness of academic culture.
But it turns out that is not the case at CU.
The minutes of regents' meeting are in fact not that easy to get.
It is apparently the regents' policy to not post minutes of one public meeting until after the next public meeting, which is often a couple months later.
Its unclear why this should be the case, but it is.
The minutes are then posted to the regents' BoardDocs web site.
This, of course, makes it difficult for the University community to keep up with the regents' thinking in something close to real time. This makes it difficult as well for the University community to have a voice and participate in University affairs. Also, the regents do not live stream their meetings.
The Colorado Open Records Act (CORA) can be a useful tool for a reporter trying to track down information. It is the state version of the federal Freedom of Information Act.
CORA is a handy tool, because it requires the recipients of a CORA request to respond within 3 days, not always the case for seekers of information from the University.
For example, consider this CORA request to CU submitted by a reporter for:
March 6, 2017
"The minutes for the CU Board of Regents meeting on February 16-17, 2017."
The reporter received a prompt response from CU:
"The minutes for the CU Board of Regents meeting on February 16-17, 2017."
March 6, 2017
"[CU doesn't] post final minutes until they are approved by the Board of Regents at their next regular board meeting which is April 6-7. The vote on action on items have been noted on the BoardDocs agenda. Presentations have been posted on the BoardDocs agenda. The Feb. minutes will be posted as draft prior to the April board meeting.
Therefore, [there are] no response records to your request at this time."
This is not really an appropriate response to a CORA request.
"[CU doesn't] post final minutes until they are approved by the Board of Regents at their next regular board meeting which is April 6-7. The vote on action on items have been noted on the BoardDocs agenda. Presentations have been posted on the BoardDocs agenda. The Feb. minutes will be posted as draft prior to the April board meeting.
Therefore, [there are] no response records to your request at this time."
CORA presumes documents of public entities (such as CU) are public and are required to be disclosed to the public unless there is an exemption for the document stated in the act.
To legally deny producing a public document in response to a CORA request the public entity must cite a provision of the CORA act giving the entity authority to deny producing the record. CU did not cite such a provision, and rather just hand-waved about not producing it.
So this CORA denial had no legal authority to support it.
Much less, being consistent with the ideas expressed in the CU Guiding Principles above, such as excellence, integrity, transparency and the openness of academic culture.
The reporter chose the direct route to responding to the CORA denial and sent the following email to the regents.
March 8, 2017
"As publicly elected officials, the regents have an obligation to provide the public as much information as possible regarding their activities, as quickly as possible.
The imposition of an arbitrary delay in releasing information, in this case so the minutes can be approved by the regents meeting together in person, runs contrary to the notion of public accountability.
With today's technology there are ample means available for a meeting's minutes to be completed, approved by the regents and released in a time period measured in days rather than weeks.
The principle involved here could be stated as information delayed is information denied."
The reporter received no response from the regents to this email.
"As publicly elected officials, the regents have an obligation to provide the public as much information as possible regarding their activities, as quickly as possible.
The imposition of an arbitrary delay in releasing information, in this case so the minutes can be approved by the regents meeting together in person, runs contrary to the notion of public accountability.
With today's technology there are ample means available for a meeting's minutes to be completed, approved by the regents and released in a time period measured in days rather than weeks.
The principle involved here could be stated as information delayed is information denied."
Several weeks later, the reporter filed another CORA request for:
April 17, 2017
"The minutes for the CU Board of Regents meeting on April 6-7, 2017."
The reporter received a very similar response to the one received on March 6:
"The minutes for the CU Board of Regents meeting on April 6-7, 2017."
April 17, 2017
"[CU doesn't] post final minutes until they are approved by the Board of Regents at their next regular board meeting which is June 16-17, 2017. The vote on action items have been noted on the April 6-7, 2017 BoardDocs agenda. Presentations have been posted on the BoardDocs agenda. Additional information can be found at CU Connections.
Therefore, [there are] no responsive records to your request at this time.""
This time, however, instead of sending a note to the regents, the reporter sent this email to the legal authorities at CU:
"[CU doesn't] post final minutes until they are approved by the Board of Regents at their next regular board meeting which is June 16-17, 2017. The vote on action items have been noted on the April 6-7, 2017 BoardDocs agenda. Presentations have been posted on the BoardDocs agenda. Additional information can be found at CU Connections.
Therefore, [there are] no responsive records to your request at this time.""
April 18, 2017
"Notice of Intent to File an Application with the District Court"
A 'Notice of Intent' states the intent of the sender to take a matter to court, in this case for for an unlawful denial of a CORA request. The Notice is required by law and provides a 3 day grace period before a case can be submitted to the court. The intent of the law is to provide time for both sides to potentially settle the matter without further legal proceedings. After the 3 day waiting period, the case may be filed with the court.
"Notice of Intent to File an Application with the District Court"
This notice that the reporter was going to take this case to court was credible to the University for a couple of reasons.
The reporter had on two previous occasions been denied access to documents by the University and, after providing such a Notice of Intent, filed suit in Denver District Court and subsequently obtained access to the documents.
It was also credible because the University was well aware that its response to the CORA request was not legally sound.
Two days later the reporter received this email from the University:
April 20, 2017
"Attached are the draft minutes from the April 6-7, 2017 board meeting. They were created yesterday."
Draft Minutes of April 2017 Regent Meeting
The March 6 response from the University and the April 17 response from the University were basically identical. Why then, several days after the April 17 response did a reporter receive a copy of the minutes, when in March, no minutes were received and no regent would even respond to an email?
"Attached are the draft minutes from the April 6-7, 2017 board meeting. They were created yesterday."
Draft Minutes of April 2017 Regent Meeting
Why did it take a credible threat of legal action to promptly obtain a copy of the minutes of a public regent meeting?
Where were the CU Guiding Principles?
Where was the notion of the University community?
Several weeks later the reporter sent in this CORA request for:
May 8, 2017
"The minutes for the CU Board of Regents Strategic Planning committee meeting on April 26, 2017."
The reporter received this response:
"The minutes for the CU Board of Regents Strategic Planning committee meeting on April 26, 2017."
May 9, 2017
"In your 5-17-2017 [sic] CORA, you request minutes from the April 26, 2017 Strategic Planning Committee meeting. . . . attached [are] notes serving as the "brief memorandum in the nature of minutes" as required by the board's parliamentary authority. Written reports of regent committees' work will be uploaded to BoardDocs prior to each regular meeting.
As I'm sure you already know, Article 2 of the Laws of the Regents states: (B) Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised (RONR) will apply to procedure at meetings if the Laws of the Regents do not specify otherwise.
RONR, 11th Edition
Page 500.4: COMMITTEE PROCEDURE. In small committee the chairman usually acts as secretary, but in large ones or many standing committees, a secretary may be chosen to keep a brief memorandum in the nature of minutes for the use of the committee.
Page 506.6: PRESENTATION AND RECEPTION OF REPORTS. A report of a board or committee to an assembly is presented at the proper time by a "reporting member" of the board or committee.
Page 506:30: Immediately after receiving a board's or a committee's report - unless it is a report containing only information on which no action is taken - an assembly normally considers whatever action may be recommended in or arise out of the report.
. . . the requested records [have been produced] and this completes your CORA."
This was the document forwarded from the regents as a response to the CORA request:
"In your 5-17-2017 [sic] CORA, you request minutes from the April 26, 2017 Strategic Planning Committee meeting. . . . attached [are] notes serving as the "brief memorandum in the nature of minutes" as required by the board's parliamentary authority. Written reports of regent committees' work will be uploaded to BoardDocs prior to each regular meeting.
As I'm sure you already know, Article 2 of the Laws of the Regents states: (B) Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised (RONR) will apply to procedure at meetings if the Laws of the Regents do not specify otherwise.
RONR, 11th Edition
Page 500.4: COMMITTEE PROCEDURE. In small committee the chairman usually acts as secretary, but in large ones or many standing committees, a secretary may be chosen to keep a brief memorandum in the nature of minutes for the use of the committee.
Page 506.6: PRESENTATION AND RECEPTION OF REPORTS. A report of a board or committee to an assembly is presented at the proper time by a "reporting member" of the board or committee.
Page 506:30: Immediately after receiving a board's or a committee's report - unless it is a report containing only information on which no action is taken - an assembly normally considers whatever action may be recommended in or arise out of the report.
. . . the requested records [have been produced] and this completes your CORA."

"the brief memorandum in the nature of minutes
as required by the board's parliamentary authority"
Is this an example of CU's commitment to excellence, integrity, transparency and the openness of academic culture?
This time the regents tried to come up with some quasi-legal justification for not producing the minutes but instead the document reproduced above.
CU cited Roberts Rules of Order as its parliamentary authority governing such matters, and its justification for not producing the full minutes of the meeting but only "the brief memorandum in the nature of minutes".
But it turns out that Robert's Rules of Order is not really appropriate for use by an organization such as the University of Colorado Board of Regents.
According to Wikipedia:
Generally, Robert's Rules of Order is designed for ordinary societies. However, law-making bodies at the local level (such as a city council or a county commission) function similarly to boards of societies. The book has found application to such bodies. Such bodies are also subject to open meeting laws (Sunshine laws) and other applicable laws, all of which supersede any conflicting provisions in the book.
On the other hand, legislative bodies at the state or national level have their own well-defined set of rules (such as Mason's Manual of Legislative Procedure). However, a survey found that four state legislative chambers in the United States still use Robert's Rules of Order.
Typical organizations using Robert's Rules of Order include:
On the other hand, legislative bodies at the state or national level have their own well-defined set of rules (such as Mason's Manual of Legislative Procedure). However, a survey found that four state legislative chambers in the United States still use Robert's Rules of Order.
alumni associations, charitable organizations, church groups, city councils, community organizations, condominium associations, cooperatives, county commissions, cultural groups, dog clubs, educational groups, family reunions, Greek fraternities and sororities, gaming clubs, golf and country clubs, hobby groups, homeowner associations, horse clubs, nonprofit associations, political organizations, professional societies, school boards, school groups, scientific organizations, service organizations, sports leagues, student governments, teacher associations, trade unions, village boards, volunteer fire departments, yacht clubs
Robert's Rules of Order - Wikipedia
The University of Colorado is like none of these organizations.
Robert's Rules of Order - Wikipedia
The University of Colorado Board of Regents is a state-wide, publicly-elected board overseeing the largest institution of higher education and research in the state of Colorado, with four campuses, tens of thousands of students, billions of dollars in budget expenditures and a commitment to the high academic standards of public institutions of higher ed and research.
It's not really in the same class of organizations as hobby groups, family reunions, horse groups, gaming clubs, fraternities or country clubs.
So its unclear why these rules are used by the regents, especially when they produce results such as the "brief memorandum in the nature of minutes" above.
More directly: is there some reason why two weeks after an hour-and-a-half committee meeting the minutes for that meeting are not publicly available?
Is the use of Robert's Rules of Order for the CU Board of Regents really an application of the CU Guiding Principles?
Looking at these responses of the University to a reporter trying to obtain copies of what should be readily and promptly accessible documents, its hard not to conclude that the guiding principle in practice for the regents regarding transparency and openness is 'the bare minimum we can get away with.'
After the original version of this article was published, the reporter once again requested a copy of the minutes for a recent regent meeting:
June 26, 2017
"The minutes for the CU Board of Regents meeting on June 15-16, 2017"
June 27, 2017
"This is your 7th request since February 2017 (2-13-2017; 2-28-2017; 3-16-2017; 4-11-2017; 4-17-2017; 5-9-2017).
Attached are the draft minutes from the June 15-16, 2017 board meeting.
This completes your CORA."
"Draft minutes" from the June 15-16, 2017 board meeting
For example, here is the section of the "draft minutes" pertaining to public comment and the reports of the top officials of CU:
"C. 2:15 - 5:00 p.m. THURSDAY, JUNE 15, 2017 CALL TO
ORDER/PUBLIC MEETING,
Chair Irene Griego, presiding - Berger Hall
Procedural: 1. Pledge of Allegiance
Procedural: 2. Public Comment
Report: 3. Report: Chair of the Board, Irene Griego
Report: 4. Report: University of Colorado President, Bruce Benson"
The document characterized as "draft minutes" returned as a response to a CORA request contains no indication as to whether or not there were any public comments, no indication of the content of the remarks of the Chair of the Board, and no indication of the content of the remarks of the University President.
ORDER/PUBLIC MEETING,
Chair Irene Griego, presiding - Berger Hall
Procedural: 1. Pledge of Allegiance
Procedural: 2. Public Comment
Report: 3. Report: Chair of the Board, Irene Griego
Report: 4. Report: University of Colorado President, Bruce Benson"
Similarly for the rest of the items in the "draft minutes" - no remarks from the meeting are included.
This can hardly be considered 'minutes' of the meeting, draft or otherwise.
The annotated agenda on the regent's web site contains links to documents presented at the meeting, but no indication of the remarks or comments made by participants.
The reporter once again requested a copy of the minutes for a recent regent meeting:
July 31, 2017
"The minutes for CU Board of Regents Ad Hoc Academic
Affairs Subcommittee meeting, July 19, 2017"
After the standard three business-day period provided in which a response must legally be returned to a CORA requestor, no response had been received from the University. The University was in violation of the law, not to mention the CU Guiding Principles.
The reporter then sent this email to the University:
August 4, 2017
"No Response to CORA Request
This email shall serve to note that as of this date and time no
response has been received to the Colorado Open Records Act
Request (below) of July 31, 2017. "
The regents responded to the No Response email with this email:
August 4, 2017
"[The University is] responding to your 7-31-2017 (2) CORA request. This is your 9th request since February 2017 (2-13-2017; 2-28-2017; 3-16-2017; 4-11- 2017; 4-17-2017; 5-9-2017; 6-27-2017 (1); 6-27-2017 (2)).
The University of Colorado's policy for making CORA requests is located [here].
Members of the Board of Regents serve without compensation. Many regents have full-time positions. In order to maximize the use of regular board meeting time, the board utilizes a committee structure to ensure full review of potential discussion and action items.
Only the full board has the authority to formally act. Board committees review and discuss proposed action, reporting on their meetings to the full board at the next regular board meeting. Committee agendas and materials are posted on BoardDocs, but unlike those of the full board, their agendas are not annotated with actions because they do not take action.
The agenda and all materials for the July 19, 2017, Ad Hoc Academic Affairs Subcommittee meeting are currently posted on BoardDocs. At the next regular board meeting, the subcommittee chair will report to the board about this subcommittee meeting. That report will be posted to BoardDocs before the next regular board meeting. Collectively, these documents reflect the activities of the subcommittee, functioning as its minutes."
So once again, two weeks after a two hour committee meeting, the regents will not provide the public a copy of the minutes for the meeting.
The regents' reason for not providing the requested minutes this time is "At the next regular board meeting, the subcommittee chair will report to the board about this subcommittee meeting." And seemingly left unstated is the regents' attitude: and that's just the way we do things around here, CORA and Guiding Principles be darned.
Over the summer, the regents consolidated and restructured their committees into just 4 committees: Governance, University Affairs, Finance and Audit. The first meetings of the new Governance, University Affairs and Finance committees were held on August 16, 2017.
On August 24, 2017, a reporter requested copies of the minutes for the 3 meetings held on August 16.
August 24, 2017
1) The minutes for the meeting of the CU Regent Governance Committee on August 16, 2017;
2) The minutes for the meeting of the CU Regent University Affairs Committee on August 16, 2017;
3) The minutes for the meeting of the CU Regent Finance Committee on August 16, 2017.
The regents responded on August 28, 2017, with a virtually identical email as the one on August 4, 2017. The last paragraph of the August 28th response reads:
1) The minutes for the meeting of the CU Regent Governance Committee on August 16, 2017;
2) The minutes for the meeting of the CU Regent University Affairs Committee on August 16, 2017;
3) The minutes for the meeting of the CU Regent Finance Committee on August 16, 2017.
August 28, 2017
The agenda and all materials for the three committee meetings held on Aug. 16, 2017 are currently posted on BoardDocs. At the next regular board meeting - Sept. 7, 2017 - the committee chairs will report to the board about these committee meetings and written reports will be posted to BoardDocs. Collectively, these documents reflect the activities of the committees, functioning as its minutes.
It turns out that at the September 7, 2017, regent meeting, the regents actually approved the public release of minutes of meetings going back 3 months, to June 12, 2017.
The agenda and all materials for the three committee meetings held on Aug. 16, 2017 are currently posted on BoardDocs. At the next regular board meeting - Sept. 7, 2017 - the committee chairs will report to the board about these committee meetings and written reports will be posted to BoardDocs. Collectively, these documents reflect the activities of the committees, functioning as its minutes.
They did this as part of the consent agenda of the meeting. The consent agenda typically contains items believed to be not in dispute and likely to be approved without discussion.
The regents offered no corrections, comments, or discussions of any kind regarding any of the minutes or releasing them. The regents had simply sat on these minutes all summer until they could say 'aye' to approving the consent agenda in September.
A portion of the agenda for the Regent meeting
of September 7, 2017: Regents approve release to public
of meeting minutes for the previous 3 months.
The CU Board of Regents continues to act as a board of directors of a private-sector corporation, without any sense of responsibility or obligation to their constituents or the University community (see also CU Regents Aloof, Isolated from Constituents, University Community).
The regents have declined to respond to repeated requests for comments on this article.
-- Alan Sobel
September 10, 2017
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Note: This is one of an occasional series on the adventures of reporting on and at CU.